[RML] Re: Killing Fish

christian_vanbelle (christian.vb at lesjeunesjardiniers.be)
Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:03:30 -0000

Sorry Harro,

France and Belgium don't want to invade Europe :). I would have said
in "French speaking Europe". I apologize.

But it's an old book who gives a lot of bases of aquariology not
really for the fishes or plants (it is too old) but principally for
the maintenance, settings, planting of a tank.

It has no scientifical meaning but gives a lot of easy ways to make a
safe tank, easy to maintain, all coming from experience of the
author. And finally, the author speaks not so much about water
threatment but insist on water changes.

I think you must have a "Holy Bible" in Germany too but I don't know
what book. It will be interesting for me to know it.

Regards

Christian

--- In r_m_l at yahoogroups.com, "Harro Hieronimus"
<harro.hieronimus at t...> wrote:
> Sorry to correct you, but France and Belgium isn't all Europe. The
named
> book is unknown in Germany where we have tons of excellent aquarium
> literature.
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> Regards Harro
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: christian_vanbelle [christian.vb at l...]
> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2005 21:48
> An: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [RML] Re: Killing Fish
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> Hi Gary,
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> You always have a big sense of humour. KISS is a good word for
> Valentine's day. "Kan" Instantely Search Such good word :)
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> I agree with the fact that my friend is searching for a better way,
> and that better can be worther than good. I think that "Le Guide
> Marabout de l'Aquarium" from Hervé Favré from France is always
> the "Holy Bible" in Europe about maintenance and having fishes.
Easy
> ways to find easy solutions to a problem. Not too much "science
> solutions". I'm about to fight with the guys who are talking about
> some big names of the aquarium industry. I know some guy in my
fish
> association who has given a lot of money only to have a big tank
and
> to hold Discus. And he is falling down for the moment because he
has
> big problems with his osmosis water.
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> I know that city water is full of nitrates (in Belgium anyway) and
I
> set in my tanks a 2 or 3 leaves cutting of Monstera deliciosa
(house
> philodendron), an old way to put out nitrates in Europe. Also many
> Riccia and Ceratophyllum who are doing the same job.
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> I think we are on the same way about technicals and that my friend
> will be out from the dark side...since a couple of days because
> her "sicklids" are spawning. :)
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> May the force be with you :))
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> Cheers
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> Christian
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> --- In r_m_l at yahoogroups.com, Gary Lange <rainbowfish4u2 at y...>
wrote:
> > KISS, it's not just something we do on Valentine's day! "Keep It
> Simple Stupid" is something you'll see over and over if you attend
a
> local aquarium society. You'll hear all sorts of silly things
> (unfortunately) on different internet sites from some Joe who has
ONE
> tank to mess with. That pH drop is exactly what can kill
rainbowfish
> and can certainly start a wonderful case of TB outbreak in a tank.
> It might be the "toilet bowl" syndrome. If you don't do your water
> changes in a timely manner (because you've made the mixing of
waters
> too complex) you make a wonderful toilet bowl. Once the acids
> accumulate in a soft, low carbonate tank you lose your buffering
> capacity and down you go. Also running a tank without a proper
> lid... I think you should instead introduce your friend to some
> convict cichlids. Never, I mean never do gudgeons or gobies
without
> a REAALLLY tight fitting lid. I don't do rainbowfish w/o a tight
> fitting lid either.
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> > Fighting nitrates. Ok if they're in the water you're adding, how
> do you remove them? I think that they do stress rainbows. Perhaps
> not enough to kill them right away though. I would always have a
> planted tank but it's the terristerial plants that really remove
> nitrates. If you use a sump, put a light on it and dip the "toes"
of
> some plant like "golden Photis" or a Philadendren like plant into
the
> tank. This is tougher to do on a tank that just has a tight
fitting
> lid but it can be done. Rosario LaCorte has been doing this for
> years and has always talked about the benefits. It is something
you
> can measure. If you have a sump also people have told me that
> floating watersprite will also work for nitrate removal. Something
> like the Jungle watersprite, Ceratopteris pteroides will probably
> also work. Need to get a nitrate kit though and make your
> measurements. I don't put much stock in the Nitrate (anerobic)
> removal devices as they can plug up easily or kill everything, ie
they
> > aren't KISS.
> >
> > Hope you can convince your friend to come back from "the dark
> side". Otherwise just stick with sicklids :-)
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> > cheers,
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> > gary lange
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