Rainbowfish Mailing List Archive: AW: [RML] Re: Killing Fish

Sorry to correct you, but France and Belgium isn=92t all Europe. The named
book is unknown in Germany where we have tons of excellent aquarium
literature.=20

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Von: christian_vanbelle [christian.vb at lesjeunesjardiniers.be]=20
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2005 21:48
An: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [RML] Re: Killing Fish

You always have a big sense of humour. KISS is a good word for=20
Valentine's day. "Kan" Instantely Search Such good word :)

I agree with the fact that my friend is searching for a better way,=20
and that better can be worther than good. I think that "Le Guide=20
Marabout de l'Aquarium" from Herv=E9 Favr=E9 from France is always=20
the "Holy Bible" in Europe about maintenance and having fishes. Easy=20
ways to find easy solutions to a problem. Not too much "science=20
solutions". I'm about to fight with the guys who are talking about=20
some big names of the aquarium industry. I know some guy in my fish=20
association who has given a lot of money only to have a big tank and=20
to hold Discus. And he is falling down for the moment because he has=20
big problems with his osmosis water.

I know that city water is full of nitrates (in Belgium anyway) and I=20
set in my tanks a 2 or 3 leaves cutting of Monstera deliciosa (house=20
philodendron), an old way to put out nitrates in Europe. Also many=20
Riccia and Ceratophyllum who are doing the same job.

I think we are on the same way about technicals and that my friend=20
will be out from the dark side...since a couple of days because=20
her "sicklids" are spawning. :)

--- In r_m_l at yahoogroups.com, Gary Lange <rainbowfish4u2 at y...> wrote:
> KISS, it's not just something we do on Valentine's day! "Keep It=20
Simple Stupid" is something you'll see over and over if you attend a=20
local aquarium society. You'll hear all sorts of silly things=20
(unfortunately) on different internet sites from some Joe who has ONE=20
tank to mess with. That pH drop is exactly what can kill rainbowfish=20
and can certainly start a wonderful case of TB outbreak in a tank.=20=20
It might be the "toilet bowl" syndrome. If you don't do your water=20
changes in a timely manner (because you've made the mixing of waters=20
too complex) you make a wonderful toilet bowl. Once the acids=20
accumulate in a soft, low carbonate tank you lose your buffering=20
capacity and down you go. Also running a tank without a proper=20
lid... I think you should instead introduce your friend to some=20
convict cichlids. Never, I mean never do gudgeons or gobies without=20
a REAALLLY tight fitting lid. I don't do rainbowfish w/o a tight=20
fitting lid either.=20=20
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> Fighting nitrates. Ok if they're in the water you're adding, how=20
do you remove them? I think that they do stress rainbows. Perhaps=20
not enough to kill them right away though. I would always have a=20
planted tank but it's the terristerial plants that really remove=20
nitrates. If you use a sump, put a light on it and dip the "toes" of=20
some plant like "golden Photis" or a Philadendren like plant into the=20
tank. This is tougher to do on a tank that just has a tight fitting=20
lid but it can be done. Rosario LaCorte has been doing this for=20
years and has always talked about the benefits. It is something you=20
can measure. If you have a sump also people have told me that=20
floating watersprite will also work for nitrate removal. Something=20
like the Jungle watersprite, Ceratopteris pteroides will probably=20
also work. Need to get a nitrate kit though and make your=20
measurements. I don't put much stock in the Nitrate (anerobic)=20
removal devices as they can plug up easily or kill everything, ie they
> aren't KISS.
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> Hope you can convince your friend to come back from "the dark=20
side". Otherwise just stick with sicklids :-)
>=20=20
> cheers,
>=20=20
> gary lange
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Sorry to correct yo= u, but France and Belgium isn’t all Europe. The named book is unknown in Germany where we have tons of excellent aquarium literature.

Regards Harro

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachrich= t-----
Von: christian_vanbelle
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februa= r 2005 21:48
An: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com Betreff: [RML] Re: Killing= Fish

Hi Gary,

You always have a big sense of humour. = KISS is a good word for
Valentine's day. "Kan" Insta= ntely Search Such good word :)

I agree with the fact that my friend is sear= ching for a better way,
and that better can be worther than good.&nb= sp; I think that "Le Guide
Marabout de l'Aquarium" from Herv=E9 Fa= vr=E9 from France is always
the "Holy Bible" in Europe about maintenance and having fishes. Easy
ways to find easy solutions to a problem.&nb= sp; Not too much "science
solutions". I'm about to fight wi= th the guys who are talking about
some big names of the aquarium industry.&nbs= p; I know some guy in my fish
association who has given a lot of money onl= y to have a big tank and
to hold Discus. And he is falling down= for the moment because he has
big problems with his osmosis water.<= /tt> I know that city water is full of nitrates (= in Belgium anyway) and I set in my tanks a 2 or 3 leaves cutting of Monstera deliciosa (house philodendron), an old way to put out nitrate= s in Europe. Also many Riccia and Ceratophyllum who are doing the s= ame job. I think we are on the same way about technic= als and that my friend will be out from the dark side...since a cou= ple of days because her "sicklids" are spawning. :) May the force be with you :)) Cheers Christian --- In r_m_l at yahoogroups.com, Gary Lange <rainbowfish4u2 at y...> wrote: > KISS, it's not just something we do on Valentine's day! "Keep It Simple Stupid" is something you'll see = over and over if you attend a local aquarium society. You'll hear al= l sorts of silly things (unfortunately) on different internet sites = from some Joe who has ONE tank to mess with. That pH drop is exa= ctly what can kill rainbowfish and can certainly start a wonderful case of = TB outbreak in a tank. It might be the "toilet bowl" syndrome. If you don't do your water changes in a timely manner (because you've m= ade the mixing of waters too complex) you make a wonderful toilet bowl. Once the acids accumulate in a soft, low carbonate tank you= lose your buffering capacity and down you go. Also running= a tank without a proper lid... I think you should instead introduce = your friend to some convict cichlids. Never, I mean never = do gudgeons or gobies without a REAALLLY tight fitting lid. I don't = do rainbowfish w/o a tight fitting lid either. > > Fighting nitrates. Ok if they're = in the water you're adding, how do you remove them? I think that they = do stress rainbows. Perhaps not enough to kill them right away though.&n= bsp; I would always have a planted tank but it's the terristerial plant= s that really remove nitrates. If you use a sump, put a lig= ht on it and dip the "toes" of some plant like "golden Photis" or= a Philadendren like plant into the tank. This is tougher to do on a tank = that just has a tight fitting lid but it can be done. Rosario LaCort= e has been doing this for years and has always talked about the benefits. It is something you can measure. If you have a sump also p= eople have told me that floating watersprite will also work for nitr= ate removal. Something like the Jungle watersprite, Ceratopteris pteroides will probably also work. Need to get a nitrate kit t= hough and make your measurements. I don't put much stock i= n the Nitrate (anerobic) removal devices as they can plug up easily o= r kill everything, ie they > aren't KISS. > > Hope you can convince your friend to co= me back from "the dark side". Otherwise just stick with sicklids :-) > > cheers, > > gary lange > >

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