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In former times: Sterba: Handbuch der Aquarienkunde, today Mergus
Aquarien Atlas (Baensch=92s Atlas).

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Regards Harro

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Von: christian_vanbelle [christian.vb at lesjeunesjardiniers.be]=20
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Februar 2005 19:04
An: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
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Sorry Harro,

France and Belgium don't want to invade Europe :). I would have said=20
in "French speaking Europe". I apologize.

But it's an old book who gives a lot of bases of aquariology not=20
really for the fishes or plants (it is too old) but principally for=20
the maintenance, settings, planting of a tank.

It has no scientifical meaning but gives a lot of easy ways to make a=20
safe tank, easy to maintain, all coming from experience of the=20
author. And finally, the author speaks not so much about water=20
threatment but insist on water changes.

I think you must have a "Holy Bible" in Germany too but I don't know=20
what book. It will be interesting for me to know it.

Regards

Christian

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> Sorry to correct you, but France and Belgium isn't all Europe. The=20
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> book is unknown in Germany where we have tons of excellent aquarium
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> Von: christian_vanbelle [christian.vb at l...]=20
> Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2005 21:48
> An: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [RML] Re: Killing Fish
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> Hi Gary,
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> You always have a big sense of humour. KISS is a good word for=20
> Valentine's day. "Kan" Instantely Search Such good word :)
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> I agree with the fact that my friend is searching for a better way,=20
> and that better can be worther than good. I think that "Le Guide=20
> Marabout de l'Aquarium" from Herv=E9 Favr=E9 from France is always=20
> the "Holy Bible" in Europe about maintenance and having fishes.=20=20
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> ways to find easy solutions to a problem. Not too much "science=20
> solutions". I'm about to fight with the guys who are talking about=20
> some big names of the aquarium industry. I know some guy in my=20
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> association who has given a lot of money only to have a big tank=20
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> to hold Discus. And he is falling down for the moment because he=20
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> big problems with his osmosis water.
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> I know that city water is full of nitrates (in Belgium anyway) and=20
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> set in my tanks a 2 or 3 leaves cutting of Monstera deliciosa=20
(house=20
> philodendron), an old way to put out nitrates in Europe. Also many=20
> Riccia and Ceratophyllum who are doing the same job.
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> I think we are on the same way about technicals and that my friend=20
> will be out from the dark side...since a couple of days because=20
> her "sicklids" are spawning. :)
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> May the force be with you :))
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> Cheers
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> Christian
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> --- In r_m_l at yahoogroups.com, Gary Lange <rainbowfish4u2 at y...>=20
wrote:
> > KISS, it's not just something we do on Valentine's day! "Keep It=20
> Simple Stupid" is something you'll see over and over if you attend=20
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> local aquarium society. You'll hear all sorts of silly things=20
> (unfortunately) on different internet sites from some Joe who has=20
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> tank to mess with. That pH drop is exactly what can kill=20
rainbowfish=20
> and can certainly start a wonderful case of TB outbreak in a tank.=20=20
> It might be the "toilet bowl" syndrome. If you don't do your water=20
> changes in a timely manner (because you've made the mixing of=20
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> too complex) you make a wonderful toilet bowl. Once the acids=20
> accumulate in a soft, low carbonate tank you lose your buffering=20
> capacity and down you go. Also running a tank without a proper=20
> lid... I think you should instead introduce your friend to some=20
> convict cichlids. Never, I mean never do gudgeons or gobies=20
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> a REAALLLY tight fitting lid. I don't do rainbowfish w/o a tight=20
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> > Fighting nitrates. Ok if they're in the water you're adding, how=20
> do you remove them? I think that they do stress rainbows. Perhaps=20
> not enough to kill them right away though. I would always have a=20
> planted tank but it's the terristerial plants that really remove=20
> nitrates. If you use a sump, put a light on it and dip the "toes"=20
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> some plant like "golden Photis" or a Philadendren like plant into=20
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> tank. This is tougher to do on a tank that just has a tight=20
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> lid but it can be done. Rosario LaCorte has been doing this for=20
> years and has always talked about the benefits. It is something=20
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> floating watersprite will also work for nitrate removal. Something=20
> like the Jungle watersprite, Ceratopteris pteroides will probably=20
> also work. Need to get a nitrate kit though and make your=20
> measurements. I don't put much stock in the Nitrate (anerobic)=20
> removal devices as they can plug up easily or kill everything, ie=20
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> > Hope you can convince your friend to come back from "the dark=20
> side". Otherwise just stick with sicklids :-)
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> > gary lange
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