Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't thr RSG Species Maintenance
Program just that sort of thing? Granted, it is not up off the ground yet,
but I think getting the fish out there and keeping them around is THE main
goal of the program. I have already volunteered to lead a group or two and
to participate in a few more. Others have as well. This is, IMHO, a really
good way to address the problem you are discussing. :)
Julie <><
PS: Roostah, I was just jerking your chain, Old Boy, to see if you'd
respond. You did quite nicely, too. :) :) No offense meant, I know you
do your part. As for Oz, I didn't have the paperwork to bring back thing#1
anyway, so it was a moot point. :) I have spread around/traded a number
of things, just on a more local level. I am not yet the shipping pro you
are. Gimme time, I am getting better tho'. ;) If you wanna trade stuff,
just ask. Chris did, and he will be getting some Moggies of his very own.
:) That's why I offered via this forum.
______________________________________________________________________
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, chris drew wrote:
> ROY - Hey, I like you have done quite a bit to pass things around to
> other folks
> It gets a bit frustrating when so few other people seem to want to
> assist.
> I'm NOT begrudging you any of the money you charge for your fish. PLEASE
> understand that . I know what is involved in time effort and money.
> So that's why I appealed to other people out there for trades. You have
> no reason to trade with me but other people who have bought stuff
> from you probably don't have all the things that Marc and I have.
>
> As for distributing the fish, why couldn't ANGFA or the RSG subsidize
> the
> purchase of a box o' fish to be divided up between "designated"
> breeders?
> Sure, you'd have to establish some criteria as to who would be qualified
> It would benefit ANGFA and the RSG to have these fish more readily
> available at a
> lower price. I'm not looking for self wiping paper as you so eloquently
> put it
> I'm offering an idea on how to get the fish out there. If it has flaws
> then let's
> see what else can be done. It just seems to me that there are going to
> be a few species go by the wayside unless the issue is addressed.
> Perhaps
> as you say it's not ANGFA's role to worry about this. I just think
> someone
> should be concerned, that's all.
>
> Instead of designated breeders how about a syndicate? I'm thinking out
> loud here to find an answer - how about it? Anyone out there interested
> in forming a syndicate to make a purchase from Roy et al and then
> trading amonst ourselves? Roy ( and others) has a ton of great stuff. As
> a group we could help him out and also help ourselves and the other
> members as well. I see a win/win for everybody involved.
>
> Email me if your interested.
>
> Chris
>
>
> >From rainbowfish-owner at pcug.org.au Fri Sep 12 08:23:36 1997
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> >From: "Roy Hunter" <roy at angfa.org>
> >To: <rainbowfish at pcug.org.au>
> >Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> >Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:45 -0600
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> >I dont think its the job of ANGFA, or the RSG for that matter, to
> >distribute fish to anyone. It is ANGFA's and the RSG's job to educate
> the
> >people on the native fish of Sahul. They support the hobby with
> education.
> >Do you think that ANGFA is just rolling in the dough??? It is all we
> can do
> >to keep the quality of the publications high so there is good value for
> >money and still be able to afford the envelopes to mail the things!
> >
> >When was the last time you bought a roll of self wiping toilet paper?
> We do
> >need to do some things on our own in life.....
> >
> >Roy Hunter
> >Co-Chairman
> >ANGFA of North America
> >visit the ANGFA website at:
> >http://www.angfa.org
> >reach me at:
> >roy at angfa.org
> >
> >----------
> >> From: chris drew <seegeedrew at hotmail.com>
> >> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> >> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> >> Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 6:57 AM
> >>
> >> Rhonda - I agree with much of what you say. In fact I think you
> support
> >> my argument.
> >> Most of us don't have the cash to do all we want. But while ANGFA
> >> has to worry about legislative and environmental issues in OZ, here
> >> in NA I believe the primary focus of ANGFA NA and the RSG is to get
> >> the fish OUT TO THE HOBBYIST!
> >>
> >> Some people may think Roy is charging a lot of money for his fish.
> >> I don't think so. I've done the math. I've looked at importing fish
> from
> >> OZ etc. It's very expensive. And I think wild fish are worth a
> premium
> >> That still doesn't mean that because they're fair value that I can
> >> afford
> >> to buy all I want. I think the National organization could afford to
> >> buy some fish and parcel them out to it's "designated breeders" with
> >> the understanding that they get them "out there".
> >>
> >> No slight intended to anyone because although I think I'm a fairly
> >> competent breeder NOW,
> >> I wasn't always that way, but it just seems to me that if we can
> agree
> >> that the mission here in NA is to distribute and maintain the species
> >> we have, then those people who have shown that they can breed and
> >> DO DISTRIBUTE the fish are deserving of some sort of assistance in
> >> obtaining the new species so that they can do what only they have
> shown
> >> a willingness or ability to do. Nobody is making any money from this
> >> so don't think it's some kind of free ride I'm proposing. I really
> think
> >> that if we are going to distribute and maintain these fish then they
> >> have
> >> to be put into the hands of those who are doing the job. That allows
> for
> >> new people who improve their breeding skills to join in as well. If
> just
> >> the well heeled obtain the fish, then many species are going to be
> lost.
> >>
> >> Besides if the national organization bears the cost then, this would
> >> allow the breeder to sell fish and eggs at a lower cost.
> >>
> >> With all that's going on in Australia does anyone think that it's
> wise
> >> to let a species vanish from NA?
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> >From rainbowfish-owner at pcug.org.au Thu Sep 11 11:42:51 1997
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> >> >
> >> >Chris,
> >> >
> >> >It's not that I wouldn't love to trade fish if I had more to trade.
> >> I've
> >> >only really been doing rainbows with the intent to breed for a
> little
> >> over a
> >> >year, then I had to wait until the fish grew up. I finally was able
> to
> >> start
> >> >spawning mine this spring. I breed a lot of other fish too so I
> can't
> >> be
> >> >constantly trying to produce rainbows but I have gotten a few fish
> for
> >> my
> >> >efforts and I'm hoping to be able to work more on getting some to
> >> trade.
> >> >
> >> >I've so far produced a measly 7 wanams, I had a batch of Giddy tris,
> >> but
> >> >accidently killed them off on a water change. I had a great batch of
> >> tri
> >> >eggs this week, put them in a tank to hatch, checked the next day
> and
> >> found
> >> >myself with a huge batch of planeria instead.. EEK! :) I did get my
> >> praecox
> >> >to spawn too, but only have 4 more females from that effort. Those
> are
> >> the
> >> >only 3 types of bows I have that can spawn. I have 2 ramuensis but I
> >> don't
> >> >know if they are male and female yet as they are still pretty young.
> >> >
> >> >Basically what I'm saying is I'd trade fish if I had them to trade,
> I'm
> >> >working on it as best as I can. Quite honestly it's not always easy
> for
> >> some
> >> >of us to come up with the cash to buy some fish. I do almost all my
> >> fish
> >> >keeping from trading with stores and other keepers, and the small
> >> amount I
> >> >earn from making web pages. It's expensive to keep 50 tanks running.
> >> >
> >> >I'm trying to say, I'm sure there are a number of us who would love
> to
> >> be
> >> >trading rainbows if we had something to offer. Now if anyone ever
> wants
> >> to
> >> >trade fish for plants, that's something I generally have an
> abundance
> >> of.
> >> >When I get fish I do everything in my power to try to breed them.
> Also
> >> even
> >> >when I get extra Giddy tris, praecox and wanams, will anyone want
> them?
> >> >
> >> >Rhonda
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, "chris drew" <seegeedrew at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>So Roy boy are these fish "out there" or not?! I was hoping to get
> >> >>people
> >> >>a little more involved here by actively trading. Besides you and I
> >> there
> >> >>are only 4 or 5 other people who even offer fish or eggs for trade
> >> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>There are 100= people in ANGFA NA and 300+ in the RSG. So the
> people
> >> >>that are trading and selling represents about 2.5% of the
> membership.
> >> >>Can't we do better than that? I think we'll have to, if we want any
> >> >>significant
> >> >>portion of the species we currently have to be around in two or
> three
> >> >>years.
> >> >>
> >> >>That being the case it is vitally important that the folks who are
> >> doing
> >> >>the breeding and trading etc
> >> >>get the new species into their hands. I think it would be of great
> >> >>benefit to
> >> >>ANGFA NA and the RSG to subsidize these people. Afterall you can't
> >> >>expect
> >> >>everyone to be like Roy and trip off to OZ every year. And Roy has
> to
> >> >>pay for all that out of his pocket. And no one can afford to buy
> ALL
> >> the
> >> >>things
> >> >>that are available. But no one besides this small circle is
> breeding
> >> and
> >> >>distributing the
> >> >>fish. Perhaps ANGFA and the RSG could mass purchase the fish and
> >> >>put them in the breeders hands who in turn could produce and
> >> distribute
> >> >>the fish at a lower price to the rest of the membership.
> >> >
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