When was the last time you bought a roll of self wiping toilet paper? We do
need to do some things on our own in life.....
Roy Hunter
Co-Chairman
ANGFA of North America
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roy at angfa.org
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> From: chris drew <seegeedrew at hotmail.com>
> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 6:57 AM
>
> Rhonda - I agree with much of what you say. In fact I think you support
> my argument.
> Most of us don't have the cash to do all we want. But while ANGFA
> has to worry about legislative and environmental issues in OZ, here
> in NA I believe the primary focus of ANGFA NA and the RSG is to get
> the fish OUT TO THE HOBBYIST!
>
> Some people may think Roy is charging a lot of money for his fish.
> I don't think so. I've done the math. I've looked at importing fish from
> OZ etc. It's very expensive. And I think wild fish are worth a premium
> That still doesn't mean that because they're fair value that I can
> afford
> to buy all I want. I think the National organization could afford to
> buy some fish and parcel them out to it's "designated breeders" with
> the understanding that they get them "out there".
>
> No slight intended to anyone because although I think I'm a fairly
> competent breeder NOW,
> I wasn't always that way, but it just seems to me that if we can agree
> that the mission here in NA is to distribute and maintain the species
> we have, then those people who have shown that they can breed and
> DO DISTRIBUTE the fish are deserving of some sort of assistance in
> obtaining the new species so that they can do what only they have shown
> a willingness or ability to do. Nobody is making any money from this
> so don't think it's some kind of free ride I'm proposing. I really think
> that if we are going to distribute and maintain these fish then they
> have
> to be put into the hands of those who are doing the job. That allows for
> new people who improve their breeding skills to join in as well. If just
> the well heeled obtain the fish, then many species are going to be lost.
>
> Besides if the national organization bears the cost then, this would
> allow the breeder to sell fish and eggs at a lower cost.
>
> With all that's going on in Australia does anyone think that it's wise
> to let a species vanish from NA?
>
> Chris
>
>
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> >Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> >To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
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> >Chris,
> >
> >It's not that I wouldn't love to trade fish if I had more to trade.
> I've
> >only really been doing rainbows with the intent to breed for a little
> over a
> >year, then I had to wait until the fish grew up. I finally was able to
> start
> >spawning mine this spring. I breed a lot of other fish too so I can't
> be
> >constantly trying to produce rainbows but I have gotten a few fish for
> my
> >efforts and I'm hoping to be able to work more on getting some to
> trade.
> >
> >I've so far produced a measly 7 wanams, I had a batch of Giddy tris,
> but
> >accidently killed them off on a water change. I had a great batch of
> tri
> >eggs this week, put them in a tank to hatch, checked the next day and
> found
> >myself with a huge batch of planeria instead. EEK! :) I did get my
> praecox
> >to spawn too, but only have 4 more females from that effort. Those are
> the
> >only 3 types of bows I have that can spawn. I have 2 ramuensis but I
> don't
> >know if they are male and female yet as they are still pretty young.
> >
> >Basically what I'm saying is I'd trade fish if I had them to trade, I'm
> >working on it as best as I can. Quite honestly it's not always easy for
> some
> >of us to come up with the cash to buy some fish. I do almost all my
> fish
> >keeping from trading with stores and other keepers, and the small
> amount I
> >earn from making web pages. It's expensive to keep 50 tanks running.
> >
> >I'm trying to say, I'm sure there are a number of us who would love to
> be
> >trading rainbows if we had something to offer. Now if anyone ever wants
> to
> >trade fish for plants, that's something I generally have an abundance
> of.
> >When I get fish I do everything in my power to try to breed them. Also
> even
> >when I get extra Giddy tris, praecox and wanams, will anyone want them?
> >
> >Rhonda
> >
> >On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, "chris drew" <seegeedrew at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>So Roy boy are these fish "out there" or not?! I was hoping to get
> >>people
> >>a little more involved here by actively trading. Besides you and I
> there
> >>are only 4 or 5 other people who even offer fish or eggs for trade
> etc.
> >>
> >>There are 100= people in ANGFA NA and 300+ in the RSG. So the people
> >>that are trading and selling represents about 2.5% of the membership.
> >>Can't we do better than that? I think we'll have to, if we want any
> >>significant
> >>portion of the species we currently have to be around in two or three
> >>years.
> >>
> >>That being the case it is vitally important that the folks who are
> doing
> >>the breeding and trading etc
> >>get the new species into their hands. I think it would be of great
> >>benefit to
> >>ANGFA NA and the RSG to subsidize these people. Afterall you can't
> >>expect
> >>everyone to be like Roy and trip off to OZ every year. And Roy has to
> >>pay for all that out of his pocket. And no one can afford to buy ALL
> the
> >>things
> >>that are available. But no one besides this small circle is breeding
> and
> >>distributing the
> >>fish. Perhaps ANGFA and the RSG could mass purchase the fish and
> >>put them in the breeders hands who in turn could produce and
> distribute
> >>the fish at a lower price to the rest of the membership.
> >
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