RE: [RML] Fish TB?

Kevin Sheller (kevmo at aplants.com)
Thu, 5 May 2005 17:07:07 -0500

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Hi Scott and Julie,

Thanks for your thoughts. I have been doing a nice job of quarantining all
new additions to my rainbow aquarium and I've also been doing weekly 40-50%
water changes as they are maintained in a high-light, high-tech planted
aquarium. Of course, this means the PH is in the 6.5 - 6.8 range, and I keep
my water temps in the 78-82 degree range.

Hearing their resistance to disease makes me believe that all of the
diseases they have had in the past few years have been my fault. I have made
errors in overdosing nitrates, refilling after a water change with water
that was too cold, allowing the oxygen levels to get too low, introducing
store-bought fish without quarantining first (in the past), etc, etc...

I hope that after making all of these errors I will be able to avoid them
in the future. I'm betting this last one is due to oxygen levels getting too
low. I replanted the tank with fewer plants than before, so the plants
likely haven't been "exhaling" as much oxygen as they were before I did my
complete re-plant.

Hopefully these boys and girls don't contract TB from all the
disease-stress I've put them under... :(

Scott: Since you've experienced TB first-hand, could you list out the
symptoms you've witnessed? I'd be curious to know better what to look for
from someone I KNOW has seen it with their own eyes.

Thanks again!
Kevin
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From: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com [r_m_l at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Scott Davis
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:31 PM
To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RML] Fish TB?

Hey Kevin,

Are you quarantining new fish for your tank, maybe
giving them a treatment for external and internal
parasites? That is probably one of those do as I say,
not as I do things until recently. However, I indeed
did quarantine some rainbows I bought at a club
auction a few years ago and they showed evidence of TB
and lived out their lives in isolation. More recently,
quarantined some stuff (not rainbowfish) that followed
me home from a national and had an awful time with
something they brought with them.

I would guess way over 50% of all commercial purchases
are coming in exposed to something, maybe many things.
If they weren't exposed at the farm, those central
flow through systems at some wholesalers do us no
favors. The illnesses you describe are all too common
with pet shop stuff, not a common with rainbows
purchased through club channels.

In some hobbyist circles, it seems that people are
observing maladies with some resistance to
antibiotics. That makes Bruce Hansen's dictum about
leaving them in quarantine to see if they die or not
seem more and more necessary.

All the best!
Scott

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Hi Scott and Julie,
 
 Thanks for your thoughts. I have been doing a nice job of quarantining all new additions to my rainbow aquarium and I've also been doing weekly 40-50% water changes as they are maintained in a high-light, high-tech planted aquarium. Of course, this means the PH is in the 6.5 - 6.8 range, and I keep my water temps in the 78-82 degree range.
 
 Hearing their resistance to disease makes me believe that all of the diseases they have had in the past few years have been my fault. I have made errors in overdosing nitrates, refilling after a water change with water that was too cold, allowing the oxygen levels to get too low,  introducing store-bought fish without quarantining first (in the past), etc, etc...
 
 I hope that after making all of these errors I will be able to avoid them in the future. I'm betting this last one is due to oxygen levels getting too low. I replanted the tank with fewer plants than before, so the plants likely haven't been "exhaling" as much oxygen as they were before I did my complete re-plant.
 
 Hopefully these boys and girls don't contract TB from all the disease-stress I've put them under... :(
 
 Scott: Since you've experienced TB first-hand, could you list out the symptoms you've witnessed? I'd be curious to know better what to look for from someone I KNOW has seen it with their own eyes.
 
Thanks again!
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Scott Davis
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:31 PM
To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RML] Fish TB?

Hey Kevin,

Are you quarantining new fish for your tank, maybe
giving them a treatment for external and internal
parasites? That is probably one of those do as I say,
not as I do things until recently. However, I indeed
did quarantine some rainbows I bought at a club
auction a few years ago and they showed evidence of TB
and lived out their lives in isolation. More recently,
quarantined some stuff (not rainbowfish) that followed
me home from a national and had an awful time with
something they brought with them.

I would guess way over 50% of all commercial purchases
are coming in exposed to something, maybe many things.
If they weren't exposed at the farm, those central
flow through systems at some wholesalers do us no
favors. The illnesses you describe are all too common
with pet shop stuff, not a common with rainbows
purchased through club channels.

In some hobbyist circles, it seems that people are
observing maladies with some resistance to
antibiotics. That makes Bruce Hansen's dictum about
leaving them in quarantine to see if they die or not
seem more and more necessary.

All the best!
Scott
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