You can find the chart on Jem Aquatics website,
http://www.jemaquatics.com.au Go to the test kits section and click on
item 16, which says -TIP---TIP---TIP-
Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wright Huntley" <huntley1 at home.com>
To: <rainbowfish at pcug.org.au>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:36
Subject: Re: [RML] Unhappy Xmas III
> Ken Brook wrote:
> >
> > Latest update - 1 dead blue eye, 1 dead Florida Flag Fish today.
> > Remaining papuae has a distorted popped out eye - new after the said
> > incident. Remaining female Congo swimming a little upright. Other fish
> > seem OK.... and swimming at depth.
> >
> > Latest theory from an unnamed punter and one for Jennifer to help with
> > maybe !
> > Was its ammonia - in Brisbane we have left over ammonia coming out of
> > the tap left over from chloramine production at water treatment works.
> >
> > Remember that I treat my drum with Prime - mix it - the leave it for a
> > few days...
>
> I've never been happy really with Prime. It apparently *is* considerably
> less stable than Amquel.
>
> Simple solution is to use carbon filtering. Second simplest is to use hypo
> to get the chlorine, and then aerate the storage for a day or so to
> dissipate the ammonium.
>
>
> >
> > Prime complexes this out but doesn't remove it at a chemcial level ,,,,.
> > Maybe warm weather dissociates it back .... (remember no nitro bacteria
> > in the drum) .... ammonia spike kills the fish then dissipates overnight
> > - broken down by tank bacteria. Also new water raises tank pH over 7.0
> > where ammonia becomes toxic...
>
> None of that is likely. The ammonium is dissipated very quickly to the
air,
> and needs no bacteria to convert it to nitrite. Ammonium stays mostly
> ammonium until pH is up above 8 or so, so you would have to have a *lot*
to
> get such drastic kills. It would still be around, the next day.
>
> >
> > Two other comments - how old is the Prime when I get it - what is shelf
> > life of the product?
>
> IDK, but I don't care for the change in smell as a bottle of it ages. It
is
> very concentrated, but anything that stinky is losing *something*.
>
> > Is the Aussie product years old by the time it gets
> > here.... Mine is down to the end of the bottle and 6 months old ex the
> > LFS. Why not buy the cheaper and as effective Aussie product from
> > Aquasonic says the un-named punter who suspects US chemical technology?
>
> A well-founded suspicion according to the guy who invented Amquel. He has
> little good to say about the unpatented follow-up products. :-) They *are*
> mostly designed to get around that original patent, I suspect.
>
> > A bit of a slag on the great Seachem here so I've emailed them for a
> > response. Jennifer may be able to comment as I believe she is a purveyor
> > of both.
> >
> > And maybe the same for chloramine as well - so do neutralisers complex
> > up chloramine and ammonia permanently or does the reaction reverse with
> > temperature and time.
> >
> > Of course using the old crude method of adding new water and
> > neutralising as you go would have complexed out the toxins until the
> > microbes and plants got at them.
> >
> > Solution if I keep the water tank - neutralise a few hours before adding
> > water, or add a small box filter to give the tank it's own N-cycle. ???
>
> A good air stone would do far more good in getting rid of volatiles, like
> ammonium.
>
> Basically, remote diagnosis is very tough, but all I hear sounds like a
> particularly virulent bacterial infection. I once lost most of my fishroom
> to such a plague. It swept through all my tanks in a week or less.
>
> I admit that my water wasn't perfect in those days. In the '50s, we
> fervently believed in the "natural" tank with no water changes at all.
That
> leads me to the thought that it could be one of those "all-of-the-above"
> situations, where an unfortunate convergence of problems caused the kill.
>
> Wright
>
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