RE: [RML] sick rainbows

Gary Lange (rainbowfish4u2 at yahoo.com)
Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:12:10 -0800 (PST)

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I've been looking for something with Praziquantal <PraZ -Quantell> in it ever since I heard a talk by David Schlesser in Texas last September. Seemed it would be good for some worms. As with all medications it would probably be best to isolate and treat the sick fish though instead of dumping meds into the established tank. Make sure you have an established filter and keep checking the ammonia levels in the isolation tank.

** Just a thought on Schlesser. IF you are ever thinking about taking the Amazon house boat trip sign up for one of Dave's tours thru Margarita Tours. He really knows his stuff and EVERYONE that I know that has gone on tour with him has enjoyed it. There are some other guys, like the nameless moron, out of St. Louis that prides himself upon not knowing a single scientific name of any of the flora or fauna on the trip! If you google his name you should find an addy or a way to contact him.

You didn't say anything about your water changing habits. If you're not doing 30-50% water changes your nitrates can be building up. Most of your books say nitrates aren't a problem but I think it does affect rainbowfish. Get them messed up on one thing (like nitrates) and then you start seeing other problems like parasites that they normally might fight off. Again, for any new fish ALWAYS put them in an isolation tank 2-3 weeks before placing in your larger tanks.
gary lange

Julie Zeppieri <bowluvr at hotmail.com> wrote:
The product just came our I believe... at least in the LFS in our area. I
have heard it works very well, but have not tried it personally.

Julie <><

>From: "Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D." <kemker at latech.edu>
>Reply-To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
>To: <r_m_l at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [RML] sick rainbows
>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:03:32 -0600
>
>Assuming they are in an established tank with no ammonia problems.Did you
>recently acquire these fish? Are they eating or just mouthing the food.
>Someone earlier alluded to stringy feces. DO they have that? You should
>have a fecal sample examined to identify any internal pathogens. Of
>course,
>as many do, you could treat the symptoms. "Jungle" makes a product for
>internal and external parasites which seems promising. It contains a
>variety of meds including Praziquantal (dewormer) and I believe
>metronidazole (kills flagellates). Has anyone ever used this product?
>
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>Quarantine tanks are an essential part of any captive maintenance program.
>
>Good things,
>-Brett
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>
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>From: JEFFREY FOX [jeffanddeena at msn.com]
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:48 PM
>To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RML] sick rainbows
>
>
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>Brett,
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>The water conditions my rainbows are kept are as follows:
>
>ph 7.6
>
>GH 235
>
>Kw 143
>
>temperature in one tank is 77f and the other tank is 80
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>
>
>Both tanks have fish doing just fine in these conditions. I might add that
>these fish are about 4 months old. I do not have any older fish showing
>these symptoms.
>
>
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Jeff
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>From: Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D. <kemker at latech.edu>
>
>To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
>
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:42 AM
>
>Subject: RE: [RML] sick rainbows
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>
>Tell us about your water.
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>
>
>Good things,
>-Brett
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>
> _____
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>From: JEFFREY FOX [jeffanddeena at msn.com]
>Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:50 PM
>To: Rainbowfish
>Subject: [RML] sick rainbows
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>Hello all,
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>I am a new member to this group thanks to Julie. I have some Kamaka and
>Trifasciata young that swim at a 45 degree angle. Their bellies are also
>drawn in. Any ideas what is wrong with them? I have never seen this type of
>illness.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff Fox
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I've been looking for something with Praziquantal <PraZ -Quantell> in it ever since I heard a talk by David Schlesser in Texas last September.  Seemed it would be good for some worms.  As with all medications it would probably be best to isolate and treat the sick fish though instead of dumping meds into the established tank.  Make sure you have an established filter and keep checking the ammonia levels in the isolation tank. 
 
** Just a thought on Schlesser.  IF you are ever thinking about taking the Amazon house boat trip sign up for one of Dave's tours thru Margarita Tours.  He really knows his stuff and EVERYONE that I know that has gone on tour with him has enjoyed it.  There are some other guys, like the nameless moron, out of St. Louis that prides himself upon not knowing a single scientific name of any of the flora or fauna on the trip!  If you google his name you should find an addy or a way to contact him. 

You didn't say anything about your water changing habits.  If you're not doing 30-50% water changes your nitrates can be building up.  Most of your books say nitrates aren't a problem but I think it does affect rainbowfish.  Get them messed up on one thing (like nitrates) and then you start seeing other problems like parasites that they normally might fight off.  Again, for any new fish ALWAYS put them in an isolation tank 2-3 weeks before placing in your larger tanks. 

gary lange

Julie Zeppieri <bowluvr at hotmail.com> wrote:
The product just came our I believe... at least in the LFS in our area. I
have heard it works very well, but have not tried it personally.

Julie  <><


>From: "Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D." <kemker at latech.edu>
>Reply-To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
>To: <r_m_l at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [RML] sick rainbows
>Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:03:32 -0600
>
>Assuming they are in an established tank with no ammonia problems.Did you
>recently acquire these fish? Are they eating or just mouthing the food.
>Someone earlier alluded to stringy feces. DO they have that?  You should
>have a fecal sample examined to identify any internal pathogens.  Of
>course,
>as many do, you could treat the symptoms.  "Jungle" makes a product for
>internal and external parasites which seems promising.  It contains a
>variety of meds including Praziquantal (dewormer) and I believe
>metronidazole (kills flagellates). Has anyone ever used this product?
>
>
>
>Quarantine tanks are an essential part of any captive maintenance program.
>
>Good things,
>-Brett
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>From: JEFFREY FOX sick rainbows
>
>
>
>Brett,
>
>The water conditions my rainbows are kept are as follows:
>
>ph 7.6
>
>GH 235
>
>Kw 143
>
>temperature in one tank is 77f and the other tank is 80
>
>
>
>Both tanks have fish doing just fine in these conditions.  I might add that
>these fish are about 4 months old.  I do not have any older fish showing
>these symptoms.
>
>
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Jeff
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D. <kemker at latech.edu>
>
>To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
>
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:42 AM
>
>Subject: RE: [RML] sick rainbows
>
>
>
>Tell us about your water.
>
>
>
>Good things,
>-Brett
>
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
>From: JEFFREY FOX sick rainbows
>
>
>
>Hello all,
>
>
>
>I am a new member to this group thanks to Julie.  I have some Kamaka and
>Trifasciata young that swim at a 45 degree angle.  Their bellies are also
>drawn in. Any ideas what is
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