RE: [RML] sick rainbows

Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D. (kemker at latech.edu)
Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:03:32 -0600

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Assuming they are in an established tank with no ammonia problems.Did you
recently acquire these fish? Are they eating or just mouthing the food.
Someone earlier alluded to stringy feces. DO they have that? You should
have a fecal sample examined to identify any internal pathogens. Of course,
as many do, you could treat the symptoms. "Jungle" makes a product for
internal and external parasites which seems promising. It contains a
variety of meds including Praziquantal (dewormer) and I believe
metronidazole (kills flagellates). Has anyone ever used this product?


Quarantine tanks are an essential part of any captive maintenance program.

Good things,
-Brett


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From: JEFFREY FOX [jeffanddeena at msn.com]
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:48 PM
To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RML] sick rainbows


Brett,

The water conditions my rainbows are kept are as follows:

ph 7.6

GH 235

Kw 143

temperature in one tank is 77f and the other tank is 80


Both tanks have fish doing just fine in these conditions. I might add that
these fish are about 4 months old. I do not have any older fish showing
these symptoms.


Thanks for your help,

Jeff

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From: Brett E. Kemker, Ph.D. <kemker at latech.edu>

To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:42 AM

Subject: RE: [RML] sick rainbows


Tell us about your water.


Good things,
-Brett


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From: JEFFREY FOX [jeffanddeena at msn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:50 PM
To: Rainbowfish
Subject: [RML] sick rainbows


Hello all,


I am a new member to this group thanks to Julie. I have some Kamaka and
Trifasciata young that swim at a 45 degree angle. Their bellies are also
drawn in. Any ideas what is wrong with them? I have never seen this type of
illness.


Thanks,

Jeff Fox


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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Assuming they are in an established tank
with no ammonia problems&#8230;Did you recently acquire these fish? Are they
eating or just mouthing the food. &nbsp;Someone earlier alluded to stringy feces. DO
they have that? &nbsp;You should have a fecal sample examined to identify any
internal pathogens. &nbsp;Of course, as many do, you could treat the symptoms.&nbsp; &#8220;Jungle&#8221;
makes a product for internal and external parasites which seems promising. &nbsp;It contains
a variety of meds including Praziquantal (dewormer) and I believe metronidazole
(kills flagellates). Has anyone ever used this product?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
14.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Quarantine tanks are an essential part of
any captive maintenance program.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><b><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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[jeffanddeena at msn.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 11, 2005 9:48
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
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my rainbows are kept are as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>ph 7.6<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>temperature in one
tank is 77f and the other tank is 80<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Both tanks have fish
doing just fine in these conditions.&nbsp; I might add that these fish are
about 4 months old.&nbsp; I do not have any older fish showing these symptoms.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'> JEFFREY FOX
[jeffanddeena at msn.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 10, 2005
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Rainbowfish<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [RML] sick rainbows</span></font><u2:p></u2:p><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>I
am a new member to this group thanks to Julie.&nbsp; I have some Kamaka and
Trifasciata young that swim at a 45 degree angle.&nbsp; Their bellies are also
drawn in. Any ideas what is wrong with them? I have never seen this type of
illness.<u2:p></u2:p></span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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