Chris has know me for a long time, he knows old roy boy dont shake to
easy.....
I did like the self wiping toilet paper bit though if I do say so myself.
;-)
Roy Hunter
Co-Chairman
ANGFA of North America
visit the ANGFA website at:
http://www.angfa.org
reach me at:
roy at angfa.org
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> From: jazep at www.peter.unmack.net
> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 12:46 PM
>
> Hi Chris
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't thr RSG Species Maintenance
> Program just that sort of thing? Granted, it is not up off the ground
yet,
> but I think getting the fish out there and keeping them around is THE
main
> goal of the program. I have already volunteered to lead a group or two
and
> to participate in a few more. Others have as well. This is, IMHO, a
really
> good way to address the problem you are discussing. :)
>
> Julie <><
>
> PS: Roostah, I was just jerking your chain, Old Boy, to see if you'd
> respond. You did quite nicely, too. :) :) No offense meant, I know you
> do your part. As for Oz, I didn't have the paperwork to bring back
thing#1
> anyway, so it was a moot point. :) I have spread around/traded a number
> of things, just on a more local level. I am not yet the shipping pro you
> are. Gimme time, I am getting better tho'. ;) If you wanna trade stuff,
> just ask. Chris did, and he will be getting some Moggies of his very own.
> :) That's why I offered via this forum.
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, chris drew wrote:
>
> > ROY - Hey, I like you have done quite a bit to pass things around to
> > other folks
> > It gets a bit frustrating when so few other people seem to want to
> > assist.
> > I'm NOT begrudging you any of the money you charge for your fish.
PLEASE
> > understand that . I know what is involved in time effort and money.
> > So that's why I appealed to other people out there for trades. You have
> > no reason to trade with me but other people who have bought stuff
> > from you probably don't have all the things that Marc and I have.
> >
> > As for distributing the fish, why couldn't ANGFA or the RSG subsidize
> > the
> > purchase of a box o' fish to be divided up between "designated"
> > breeders?
> > Sure, you'd have to establish some criteria as to who would be
qualified
> > It would benefit ANGFA and the RSG to have these fish more readily
> > available at a
> > lower price. I'm not looking for self wiping paper as you so eloquently
> > put it
> > I'm offering an idea on how to get the fish out there. If it has flaws
> > then let's
> > see what else can be done. It just seems to me that there are going to
> > be a few species go by the wayside unless the issue is addressed.
> > Perhaps
> > as you say it's not ANGFA's role to worry about this. I just think
> > someone
> > should be concerned, that's all.
> >
> > Instead of designated breeders how about a syndicate? I'm thinking out
> > loud here to find an answer - how about it? Anyone out there interested
> > in forming a syndicate to make a purchase from Roy et al and then
> > trading amonst ourselves? Roy ( and others) has a ton of great stuff.
As
> > a group we could help him out and also help ourselves and the other
> > members as well. I see a win/win for everybody involved.
> >
> > Email me if your interested.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > >From rainbowfish-owner at pcug.org.au Fri Sep 12 08:23:36 1997
> > >Received: (from majordom at localhost) by pcug.org.au
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> > cal.calcom.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27243 for
> > <rainbowfish at pcug.org.au>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:14:49 -0700
> > >Message-Id: <199709121414.HAA27243 at cal.calcom.com>
> > >From: "Roy Hunter" <roy at angfa.org>
> > >To: <rainbowfish at pcug.org.au>
> > >Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> > >Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:45 -0600
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> > >
> > >I dont think its the job of ANGFA, or the RSG for that matter, to
> > >distribute fish to anyone. It is ANGFA's and the RSG's job to educate
> > the
> > >people on the native fish of Sahul. They support the hobby with
> > education.
> > >Do you think that ANGFA is just rolling in the dough??? It is all we
> > can do
> > >to keep the quality of the publications high so there is good value
for
> > >money and still be able to afford the envelopes to mail the things!
> > >
> > >When was the last time you bought a roll of self wiping toilet paper?
> > We do
> > >need to do some things on our own in life.....
> > >
> > >Roy Hunter
> > >Co-Chairman
> > >ANGFA of North America
> > >visit the ANGFA website at:
> > >http://www.angfa.org
> > >reach me at:
> > >roy at angfa.org
> > >
> > >----------
> > >> From: chris drew <seegeedrew at hotmail.com>
> > >> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> > >> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> > >> Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 6:57 AM
> > >>
> > >> Rhonda - I agree with much of what you say. In fact I think you
> > support
> > >> my argument.
> > >> Most of us don't have the cash to do all we want. But while ANGFA
> > >> has to worry about legislative and environmental issues in OZ, here
> > >> in NA I believe the primary focus of ANGFA NA and the RSG is to get
> > >> the fish OUT TO THE HOBBYIST!
> > >>
> > >> Some people may think Roy is charging a lot of money for his fish.
> > >> I don't think so. I've done the math. I've looked at importing fish
> > from
> > >> OZ etc. It's very expensive. And I think wild fish are worth a
> > premium
> > >> That still doesn't mean that because they're fair value that I can
> > >> afford
> > >> to buy all I want. I think the National organization could afford
to
> > >> buy some fish and parcel them out to it's "designated breeders" with
> > >> the understanding that they get them "out there".
> > >>
> > >> No slight intended to anyone because although I think I'm a fairly
> > >> competent breeder NOW,
> > >> I wasn't always that way, but it just seems to me that if we can
> > agree
> > >> that the mission here in NA is to distribute and maintain the
species
> > >> we have, then those people who have shown that they can breed and
> > >> DO DISTRIBUTE the fish are deserving of some sort of assistance in
> > >> obtaining the new species so that they can do what only they have
> > shown
> > >> a willingness or ability to do. Nobody is making any money from
this
> > >> so don't think it's some kind of free ride I'm proposing. I really
> > think
> > >> that if we are going to distribute and maintain these fish then they
> > >> have
> > >> to be put into the hands of those who are doing the job. That allows
> > for
> > >> new people who improve their breeding skills to join in as well. If
> > just
> > >> the well heeled obtain the fish, then many species are going to be
> > lost.
> > >>
> > >> Besides if the national organization bears the cost then, this would
> > >> allow the breeder to sell fish and eggs at a lower cost.
> > >>
> > >> With all that's going on in Australia does anyone think that it's
> > wise
> > >> to let a species vanish from NA?
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From rainbowfish-owner at pcug.org.au Thu Sep 11 11:42:51 1997
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> > >> 1997 04:11:50 +1000 (EST)
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> > >> >Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
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> > >> >
> > >> >Chris,
> > >> >
> > >> >It's not that I wouldn't love to trade fish if I had more to trade.
> > >> I've
> > >> >only really been doing rainbows with the intent to breed for a
> > little
> > >> over a
> > >> >year, then I had to wait until the fish grew up. I finally was able
> > to
> > >> start
> > >> >spawning mine this spring. I breed a lot of other fish too so I
> > can't
> > >> be
> > >> >constantly trying to produce rainbows but I have gotten a few fish
> > for
> > >> my
> > >> >efforts and I'm hoping to be able to work more on getting some to
> > >> trade.
> > >> >
> > >> >I've so far produced a measly 7 wanams, I had a batch of Giddy
tris,
> > >> but
> > >> >accidently killed them off on a water change. I had a great batch
of
> > >> tri
> > >> >eggs this week, put them in a tank to hatch, checked the next day
> > and
> > >> found
> > >> >myself with a huge batch of planeria instead.. EEK! :) I did get my
> > >> praecox
> > >> >to spawn too, but only have 4 more females from that effort. Those
> > are
> > >> the
> > >> >only 3 types of bows I have that can spawn. I have 2 ramuensis but
I
> > >> don't
> > >> >know if they are male and female yet as they are still pretty
young.
> > >> >
> > >> >Basically what I'm saying is I'd trade fish if I had them to trade,
> > I'm
> > >> >working on it as best as I can. Quite honestly it's not always easy
> > for
> > >> some
> > >> >of us to come up with the cash to buy some fish. I do almost all my
> > >> fish
> > >> >keeping from trading with stores and other keepers, and the small
> > >> amount I
> > >> >earn from making web pages. It's expensive to keep 50 tanks
running.
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm trying to say, I'm sure there are a number of us who would love
> > to
> > >> be
> > >> >trading rainbows if we had something to offer. Now if anyone ever
> > wants
> > >> to
> > >> >trade fish for plants, that's something I generally have an
> > abundance
> > >> of.
> > >> >When I get fish I do everything in my power to try to breed them.
> > Also
> > >> even
> > >> >when I get extra Giddy tris, praecox and wanams, will anyone want
> > them?
> > >> >
> > >> >Rhonda
> > >> >
> > >> >On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, "chris drew" <seegeedrew at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>So Roy boy are these fish "out there" or not?! I was hoping to get
> > >> >>people
> > >> >>a little more involved here by actively trading. Besides you and I
> > >> there
> > >> >>are only 4 or 5 other people who even offer fish or eggs for trade
> > >> etc.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>There are 100= people in ANGFA NA and 300+ in the RSG. So the
> > people
> > >> >>that are trading and selling represents about 2.5% of the
> > membership.
> > >> >>Can't we do better than that? I think we'll have to, if we want
any
> > >> >>significant
> > >> >>portion of the species we currently have to be around in two or
> > three
> > >> >>years.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>That being the case it is vitally important that the folks who are
> > >> doing
> > >> >>the breeding and trading etc
> > >> >>get the new species into their hands. I think it would be of great
> > >> >>benefit to
> > >> >>ANGFA NA and the RSG to subsidize these people. Afterall you can't
> > >> >>expect
> > >> >>everyone to be like Roy and trip off to OZ every year. And Roy has
> > to
> > >> >>pay for all that out of his pocket. And no one can afford to buy
> > ALL
> > >> the
> > >> >>things
> > >> >>that are available. But no one besides this small circle is
> > breeding
> > >> and
> > >> >>distributing the
> > >> >>fish. Perhaps ANGFA and the RSG could mass purchase the fish and
> > >> >>put them in the breeders hands who in turn could produce and
> > >> distribute
> > >> >>the fish at a lower price to the rest of the membership.
> > >> >
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