Roy Hunter
Co-Chairman
ANGFA of North America
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http://www.angfa.org
reach me at:
roy at angfa.org
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> From: Mach Fukada <tuhoitc at aloha.net>
> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 7:48 PM
>
> Ya know guys,
> It is nice to see that this is a shared feeling. Several persons
> here in Honolulu has said much the same. People see only the romantic
> side of going out an collecting with out considering the costs, time,
> health, and other related problems with bringing them back alive from
> places known only to a few. Likewise I apreciate this and am willing to
> pay puwards of $20-30 per fish (which as of now can't even be sexed).
Here
> in honolulu there once were many rainbows, blue eyes, etc. The first
Ross
> rvier sigs in the USA probablly came in via Honolulu, same w/ P.
> cyanodorsalis. Yet people have gotten bored with them, run out of space,
> or have gotten fed up/disgusted with people who don't see what is
involved
> with bringing them back and distributing them to the hobby.
>
> As soon as I get some stuff worth distributing I am sure to put
> them out to the hobby. But All I have are some rather generic fish from
> unknown localities (furcata, conniea, signifer, gertrudae, bosmani, etc).
> If I had some good ones like the Giddy River gertrudae or any of the
mellis
> populations dam sure I would spread them arround for the same reason I
> can't get them (no one has them or no one wants to share).
> Personally (and I may be sticking my head out a bit) I would gladly
> go out and help people collect and transport back to the USA (pay my own
> way of course and my wife wants a real honeymoon), but I haven't got a
clue
> how to get there or how to process paperwork. It is hell to bring
theings
> into Hawaii from parts unknown (DOA can be really shit heads). Roy,
next
> time you are going, let me know and if I can I will lend a hand with a
net,
> get dirty and bring along my spam to eat and gross everyone out at the
same
> time.
>
> MTF
> >*some* people spend upwards of $5,000 to get a batch of fish here before
it
> >is all said and done. Are YOU willing or able to do that?? Werent you
> >supposed to go to Darwin in July?? But you couldnt because of the cost,
I
> >DO understand. Have you offered to trad for any of the fish I have???
> >
> >Do you think I am obligated to do all this when I am on vacation?? A few
> >weeks in the bush with Peter :-) is no vacation BELIEVE ME!
> >
> >Let me see, If I spend $30 for a pair of fish, breed them, sell the 50
> >offspring for $3 ea I made $120 AND I have the original fish! AND there
is
> >50 more in the hobby! Where is your fish and egg listing??? You are a
> >member of ANGFA and I dont have a list from you! :-)
> >
> >Personally I think higher prices for fish is a good incentive for people
to
> >breed them to get their money back and THAT helps them survive in the
> >hobby.
> >
> >Did you know a lot of the retail stores in Australia sell there own
natives
> >for upwards of $25! Thetas each BTW :-)
> >
> >Personally I think Australian fish are worth every penny!
> >
> >
> >
> >Roy Hunter
> >Co-Chairman
> >ANGFA of North America
> >visit the ANGFA website at:
> >http://www.angfa.org
> >reach me at:
> >roy at angfa.org
> >
> >----------
> >> From: jazep at www.peter.unmack.net
> >> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> >> Subject: Re: [RML] wish list
> >> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 10:01 AM
> >>
> >> Amen Chris! (say Yay-ess!) ;)
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, chris drew wrote:
> >>
> >> > There are 100= people in ANGFA NA and 300+ in the RSG. So the people
> >> > that are trading and selling represents about 2.5% of the
membership.
> >> > Can't we do better than that? I think we'll have to, if we want any
> >> > significant
> >> > portion of the species we currently have to be around in two or
three
> >> > years.
> >>
> >> I did a count... He's right, yunno. Sad but true. :(
> >>
> >> > So Roy and Gary before you "knee jerk" to this idea give it some
> >> > thought.
> >> > It would be a nice reward for the folks who have been working hard
to
> >> > keep the species going. No doubt I would benefit from this idea but
> >> > tell me what you think.
> >>
> >> Another thought: folks who keep plants often get together and place a
> >> very large order to make the costs per plant cheaper and to reduce the
> >per
> >> person postage costs. Perhaps RSG/ANGFA NA could do a similar thing,
> >> sending to Oz/Europe for a large quantity of fish at a time, but for a
> >> number of members here. It would spread the costs out of getting the
> >> things here, and would get new spp into the members' hands at a
reduced
> >> cost (still prob not cheap, but better anyhow, than going and getting
> >them
> >> oneself). One person would have to be incharge of the logistics of
such
> >an
> >> enterprise, and of course, all $$ up front. Getting that volunteer
(and
> >> the nec paperwork) would probably be as big a task as anything, tho'.
;)
> >>
> >> > G.maculosus is a great example. Who do you know that has this fish?
> >> > How well has it been distributed? NOT At ALL! Why?
> >>
> >> Tell me about it!!!!!!! :( What, TWO people have those kids....
MAYBE?!?
> >
> >> I've been hearing about them being in this country for at least the
last
> >> year, but where the heck are they? You are right, Chris, "Why?" It is
> >> pretty pathetic if you ask me. I would kill to get those fish, but
don't
> >> have a clue as to how to get em, cause the one guy who said he had em
> >> never released any to my knowledge.... despite even advertising them.
I
> >> responded to that ad and never heard another thing afterward.
> >>
> >> Hell, that's ok, Buddy, you are also the only one out there who wants
any
> >> of these Mogurnda pulchra that I am trying to distribute into the
hobby
> >> here. Cheap, too, unlike *some* people. ;) It'll probably end up
that
> >> they get out to maybe 6 people and the rest go to a wholesaler and get
> >> lost forever. :( Again, pathetic. This IS gonna happen if the
hobbyists
> >> don't ask for em soon tho'. No wonder the Europeans don't often go to
the
> >> trouble of sending us fish if this is the response.
> >>
> >> Awright, off the box now...
> >> Julie <><
>
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