Re: [RML] Mycobutin dose

HH (Harro.Hieronimus at t-online.de)
Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:38:08 +0100

Adrian gave us an excellent reason why we should _not_ use any antibiotics to
try to cure mycobacteriosis. Need an explanation: By curing the fish we create
new stocks of bacteria which become more and more resistant against more and
more antibiotics (a general problem in the use of antibiotics). So, if you
accidentally are yourself ill with fish tuberculosis it might be very difficult
- in the worst case impossible - to find an antibiotic still working. So the
result must be: Hands off from anitbiotics to cure fish diseases. Not
one domesticated animal like cows or pigs should have antibiotics as we eat teh
meat and that may cause the same problem: resistant bacteria. More and more
people die by tuberculosis and Staphylococcum aureum as, at least for the
latter, there is only one antibiotic left (it may be Vancomycin, I'm not sure)
and there have been people who already died because none of the antibiotics we
know could cure the bacterial infection. That's my .02 cent.

Harro

Adrian Tappin schrieb:
> At 08:39 28/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Even with clean water some Rainbows get skin sores.
> >Because none the aquarium store antibiotics that I have tried work
> >I have experimented with the anti tubercular drug Rifabutin
> >or Mycobutin with success.
>
> Rifabutin is one of a number of drugs suggested for the treatment of humans
> infected with nontuberculous mycobacteria such as "Fishkeepers disease". I
> have not been able to find any successful treatment reports of curing fish
> with a confirmed mycobacterial infection - not yet anyway?
>
> Here's a little bit of information that might be of interest?
>
> Many nontuberculous mycobacteria are resistant to the drugs commonly used
> successfully in the treatment of tuberculosis (e.g., isoniazid,
> pyrazinamide, and streptomycin). Antibiotic regimens may require several
> (five or six) drugs including rifampin, which is quite effective against M.
> kansasii, or clarithromycin, which has marked activity against the M.
> avium-intracellulare complex. Surgical resection is occasionally recommended
> with or without chemotherapy. In treating disseminated infections in AIDS
> patients, a regimen of five or six drugs, including clarithromycin,
> ethambutol and perhaps rifabutin, should be considered.
>
> The mutation rates of mycobacteria are very high, meaning that they quickly
> adapt to their changing environment. Genetic mutation can develop as often
> as once in every million divisions(1,000,000). Each time a genetic mutation
> appears, there is a small chance that the mutation will result in immunity
> to antibiotic drugs that might otherwise have killed the mycobacterium.
> Tubercles (granulomas in the disease tuberculosis) can contain up to one
> hundred billion mycobacteria (100,000,000,000), so the chances of the
> mycobacteria developing resistance to any individual drug is very high.
>
> If a patient with a mycobacterial infection is treated with only one drug,
> the disease may appear to improve temporarily, as most of the bacteria are
> destroyed. However, the disease will usually return, when the bacteria with
> resistance to that one drug have had a chance to multiply. Remember that
> only a very small number of viable mycobacteria are necessary to establish
> infection. Use of that one drug in that same patient is then useless, since
> the infecting bacteria are resistant to it.
>
> For this reason, mycobacterial infections are almost always treated with a
> combination of two or more drugs. The chances of a genetic mutation
> resulting in resistance to two or more drugs at the same time are extremely
> small.
>
> Since mycobacteria are extremely hardy, drug treatment times are extremely
> long. Many species of mycobacteria can become "inactive" for long periods of
> time, i.e. they do not metabolise. Antibiotics can only be effective against
> a bacterium if that bacterium is metabolising. To completely eradicate a
> mycobacterial infection with antibiotics requires that the course be long
> enough to act against bacteria that are "hibernating" as well as active
> bacteria.
>
> To eradicate a pulmonary(lung) tuberculosis infection takes between six and
> nine months of treatment. Tuberculosis outside the lung may take even longer
> to treat. If the antibiotic drugs are not taken until the infection is
> eradicated (e.g.. the patient stops taking the drugs after two months,
> because s/he is feeling better), this gives the bacteria a chance to develop
> resistance to the drugs and it is likely that the patient will relapse with
> the disease. In this case, the drugs used can not be used again, since the
> infecting bacteria will be resistant to them.
>
> Adrian.
>
>
> Adrian R. Tappin
> Brisbane, Australia.
> "Home of the Rainbowfish"
> http://www.ecn.net.au/~atappin/home.htm
>