Re: [RML] Question about Artemia and frys

L Boorman (lisachromis at kent.net)
Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:58:47 -0500

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We tend to use the Sera Micron as part of the diet, but we also use microwo=
rms as well. We also tend to keep our fry in pyrex dishes (flat clear bakin=
g dishes) on the top of a tank so that the heat from that tank also keeps t=
he fry warm. They have an airstone as well, and I've not yet noticed any de=
ath of any fry that's hatched in the tanks. Water changes are done with a t=
urkey baster and water left on the tank to get to the right temperature. On=
ce the fry are large enough, they go into other tanks.

Lisa

P.S.

Hi Gary! That was a great talk you did last Sunday. :)
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Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [RML] Question about Artemia and frys

It would be worthwhile for you to google the rainbowfish websites as most=
talk about first fry foods. APR, Artificial Protozoan Rotifer, OSI =3D Oc=
ean Star International. You ought to find that in Norway too. Sera microf=
ood works ok too. All of these microfoods you need to keep in the freezer =
as the oils in them will go bad. Vinegar eels are good too as suggested. =
Micro-worms - did the person that suggested this ever actually use them on =
rainbowfish fry or were they just talking about their other fish??? They a=
re not a good choice for rainbowfish. You have to get the food to where th=
e fish are which is the first 1/2 in of the top of the tank. I haven't had=
much success with any sort of liquid fry as it creates a nice bloom, like =
Scott suggested with overfeed on LIVE baby bs. Frozen, again like the micr=
oworms is pretty useless. I will say that I've been using a smaller "micro=
-worm" called Walterworms th! at have showed up on Aquabid as a snack for f=
ish that are more than a few days old. They seem small enough that a lot o=
f them hang in the water column before sinking. Again as Scott reminded, a=
fter any hatching you need to add snails to the tank to clean up overfeedin=
g. If you have them available a few daphnia will help polish the water now=
and later will start producing small babies that will make nice snacks for=
the fry. This will keep your water quality up. You didn't say what you w=
ere feeding the adults but you'll get many more eggs if you think like a ki=
llifish dude instead of a cichlid dude. Live foods, not dried and baked :-=
) Daphnia be good, so is live baby brine, especially enriched (selcon, APR=
, NatureRose etc) In season, mosquito larva, small so they don't change too=
quickly are primo. Chopped live black worms is good too. They like the w=
ater a bit on the soft side ~ 100 ppm GH and a little tannin will often get=
them ! going too. You can use some cleaned peatmoss or easier something l=
ike Tetras blackwater tonic. These fish don't last around as long as the M=
elanotaenia so keep working with them and produce some backup fry as soon a=
s you can. If you got a location name on them make sure you hang onto that=
too. As Mach mentioned there are some "aquarium strains" out there. Some=
are very tired and others don't look that bad. However, out of all of the=
m I think Tewah creek really rocks! It puts the aquarium strains I've seen=
to shame.=20=20

cheers,

gary lange
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We tend to use the Sera Micron as part of the diet, but we also use microworms as well. We also tend to keep our fry in pyrex dishes (flat clear baking dishes) on the top of a tank so that the heat from that tank also keeps the fry warm. They have an airstone as well, and I've not yet noticed any death of any fry that's hatched in the tanks. Water changes are done with a turkey baster and water left on the tank to get to the right temperature. Once the fry are large enough, they go into other tanks.
 
Lisa
 
P.S.
 
Hi Gary! That was a great talk you did last Sunday. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Lange
To: r_m_l at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [RML] Question about Artemia and frys

It would be worthwhile for you to google the rainbowfish websites as most talk about first fry foods.  APR, Artificial Protozoan Rotifer, OSI = Ocean Star International.  You ought to find that in Norway too.  Sera microfood works ok too.  All of these microfoods you need to keep in the freezer as the oils in them will go bad.  Vinegar eels are good too as suggested.  Micro-worms - did the person that suggested this ever actually use them on rainbowfish fry or were they just talking about their other fish???  They are not a good choice for rainbowfish.  You have to get the food to where the fish are which is the first 1/2 in of the top of the tank.  I haven't had much success with any sort of liquid fry as it creates a nice bloom, like Scott suggested with overfeed on LIVE baby bs.  Frozen, again like the microworms is pretty useless.  I will say that I've been using a smaller "micro-worm" called Walterworms th! at have showed up on Aquabid as a snack for fish that are more than a few days old.  They seem small enough that a lot of them hang in the water column before sinking.  Again as Scott reminded, after any hatching you need to add snails to the tank to clean up overfeeding.  If you have them available a few daphnia will help polish the water now and later will start producing small babies that will make nice snacks for the fry.  This will keep your water quality up.  You didn't say what you were feeding the adults but you'll get many more eggs if you think like a killifish dude instead of a cichlid dude.  Live foods, not dried and baked :-)  Daphnia be good, so is live baby brine, especially enriched (selcon, APR, NatureRose etc) In season, mosquito larva, small so they don't change too quickly are primo.  Chopped live black worms is good too.  They like the water a bit on the soft side ~ 100 ppm GH and a little tannin will often get them ! going too.  You can use some cleaned peatmoss or easier something like Tetras blackwater tonic.  These fish don't last around as long as the Melanotaenia so keep working with them and produce some backup fry as soon as you can.  If you got a location name on them make sure you hang onto that too.  As Mach mentioned there are some "aquarium strains" out there.  Some are very tired and others don't look that bad.  However, out of all of them I think Tewah creek really rocks!  It puts the aquarium strains I've seen to shame. 
 
cheers,
 
gary
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