Re: [RML] goyder rivers

Chen Leong (cleong at btr.com.au)
Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:23:35 +1000

At 09:07 PM 4/22/97 -0500, Gary Lange wrote:
>In my opinion Goyder tris can be some of the most difficult fish to
>keep going year after year, especially in softer waters or more
>importantly water with low KH values. Those that keep these in
>fairly hard and alkaline water (above 200 ppm GH, pH usually above
>7.2) don't seem to have a lot of troubles. Cooler waters seem to
>help (below 76 F). This is what I hear when I travel all over the US
>speaking to groups that sometimes have very different water than I
>do. I feel that a lot of the problems with TB ulcers is probably
>more related to pH and proper buffer though than just plain GH
>hardness. It's just that those people also usually have a fairly
>good KH too, which tends to keep their pH higher and less prone to
>crashing. Since I have switched to adding a tablespoon (15 cc) of
>sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) per 55 gallon barrel I have very few
>outbreaks. Of course one still has to keep up with the water
>changes. That increase moves my KH some 3 degrees effectively
>doubling my KH. Your results may vary according to your particular
>water conditions.

Last year, I lost all my Goyder River Tris (11) from a community tank of
rainbows. A couple of the deaths were from ulcers (the two largest), the
balance were young fish (approximately 12- 18 months old). The young fish
stopped eating and showed signs of discolouration prior to death. When I
say discolouration, the fish were a dark colour in the rear half of the
body. I am not sure whether the discolouration is a symptom of TB. The
water in my aquarium was soft (around 90 ppm) and a ph of 6.8 to 7.0. No
nitrite in the water. Water changes were done fortnightly at a rate of 50%.
No other rainbows in the tank, which included boesmanis, Giddy R Tris, Coen
R Tris showed any signs of ulcers or similar discolouration.

Since I added shell grit to the filter, bringing the ph up to around 7.2 to
7.4, and doing water changes weekly at a rate of 30% per week, I have not
had a recurrence of this problem. Its been about 6 months since I lost all
those Goyders, and the new Goyders I now have seem to prefer the more
alkaline conditions. I too "fast" my fish once a week, and I have reduced
the daily feeding to once per day for the adult fish. The fish appear to be
healthier as a result, and more disease resistant.

Neil Armstrong recently suggested that he believed that tannic acids from
driftwood and leaves is beneficial to the health of rainbows, as the acid
kills bacteria. I don't have any driftwood or other substances leaching
tannic acid in my tanks, but has anyone experienced beneficial effects of
tannic acids with their fish ??

Chen Leong