Re: [RML] Re: Communities was Suitable hardness

Cary Hostrawser (caryho at ix.netcom.com)
Tue, 03 Dec 1996 00:16:16 GMT

On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 07:38:18 +1100, "Bruce Hansen"
<bhansen at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>It is my firmly held conclusion that most fish species that are maintained
>in conditions well away from their natural ones are under some degree of
>metabolic stress and this will eventually be to the detriment of their
>health or behaviour. Obviously this is not a hard and fast rule for
>individual specimens. There is also the factor of us unconciously selecting
>and fixing a strain ( of for example I. werneri ) that copes with hard
>alkaline water conditions better simply by breeding them in those
>conditions generation after generation.
snip
>So do we call a strain of werneri, developed by aquaculture to handle hard
>alkaline water, an acceptable "natural" form ( of the fish it once was )
>and would this form be able to survive back in it's natural waters if we
>needed to restock for conservation purposes? Is there really much
>difference ( except in appearances) in selecting and fixing any trait
>whether it is a lyretail red-finned Peacock Gudgeon which is obvious or an
>"invisible" metabolic variant?
>
>I ask these questions in the true spirit of RML stirring ;-)

Well you've stir my interest. I don't think we can avoid this to a
certain degree. Many wild caught fish are very difficult to reproduce.
Subsequent generations seem to be much easier to reproduce. Where
originally you had to match their natural water conditions quite
closely, the later generations would spawn and produce viable fry in a
much larger range of water conditions. I don't think we're generally
fixing a trait of only viability in a different from natural water
conditions but selecting for fish that can handle a wider range of
water conditions and diets. Those tilapia that are now surviving the
winter in greater numbers, can no doubt do quite well back in their
native warmer habitat.
I think for the most part if we don't overly inbreed the species,
we're selecting for fish that are better able to survive differing
water conditions. An aquarium just doesn't maintain the types of
conditions a waterway will. Besides the predation factor I think the
waterway has a much more stable and healthy environment Aquariums
select for fish that can handle greater extremes of water quality.

I'm not saying its impossible to develope a strain that can't handle
it's old native conditions. But it would be more a case of inbreeding
brother to sister without crossing out to cousins in the population
group. Thats the habit that will fix a trait.

Cary Hostrawser

Minnesota Aquarium Society
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