Re: [RML] Re: Goo obo gudgeon article / "sports" vs. "wild

Gary Lange (rainbowfish4u2 at yahoo.com)
Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:35:36 -0800 (PST)

The comment was also meant for the fellow that hasn't identified himself yet "pair of icy fists". If rainbowfish or fishes from NG and Oz are your primary focus then you should take the time and expense to attend! That's how clubs continue to thrive. That's one of the reasons that the RSG is no longer around. A lot of people that do a lot of handwaving but then don't attend, don't publish, don't put in their fish and egg listings. If you have rainbows and are in Europe you should be a member of the IRG and you should try like heck to attend the convention. The travel times are nothing like they are in Oz or in the US, you're all really so close together. I'll get off the soapbox now :-)

The Goo obo really does look a lot different now than the wild types. I finally have some of the wild types coming up to size and they are now producing eggs. My sport pair has stopped laying but could probably be convinced to start again if I pulled out some of the occupants in their tank.

This gudgeon doesn't have many of the bad habits of M. mogurnda, that is, fileting 4 inch rainbowfish and others of their kind. Yeah I've heard the stories before of how peaceful morgurndas are, sorry I have first hand experience that it isn't true. Ok, compared to some central american cichlids I guess they are peaceful, but.
However the nesolepsis - The Goo obo is a peaceful gudgeon. I have mine in with Batanta rainbowfish. The other group is in with some of those new danios and they have behaved themselves. The males stake out territories but if you give them enough PVC caves and such they should be fine. I don't think it would be a good idea to put these in with peacock gudgeons though as they are a lot smaller. I wouldn't put them in with other gudgeons of the same size as they probably would be harassed.

Boesemani colors - I remember the first pictures Heiko showed of the boesemani, pre digital so no lying :-) They were really bright and colorful. I think we have some of that population around today. There are many other populations of boesemani now that have lost that color, thanks to our SE asian breeders. Parkinsoni - I saw a wild type pic from Neil Armstrong where the fish was almost entirely covered in that "orange" mold of a color. As the parks grow older (1-3 yrs) the color, on good ones starts to cover their body. Also don't forget, you might dig one of these out of a stream and they may look very dull. They were supposed to be fairly widespread if I remember my locations on this one. One particular location might yield a differerent color or a brighter colorform. That is the one thing we really have to remember about NG fish. Location, just like it is in Australia, is important and will yield different or brighter color forms.

Christophe Mailliet <christophe.mailliet at web.de> wrote:
Hi Gary,

I get the message! You know, there will be plenty of Europeans at the IRG convention, don't worry!! Whether that will include me I don't know yet, though.

To answer the other question on where/when: the next IRG Convention will be on 9.-11.06.2006 in Harrachov/Czech Republic. I am sure Harro will be able to give more details as for registration, etc.

What about the Goo-obo's behaviour? Are they bullies like the classic Moggy or are they more peaceful? I hope Kent is not making a platy out of that fish?? Hmm.. I too prefer "wild forms", no doubt. But I'll take them all the same :-)

Leads me to another thougt. I think it is surely debatable whether e.g. some of the boesemani or parkinsoni that are around can still be compared to wild fish. That is in and of itself an interesting topic, for sure. Opinions on this?

Cheers,

Christophe

r_m_l at yahoogroups.com schrieb am 14.12.05 17:40:46:
Does that mean I should start telling my pair to get going and start producing some fry :-) ?? That would also mean that instead of the Europeans just talking about it that they'll actually show up at the IRG convention! Be there or be Goo obo less :-) Another point on the nesolepsis that Kent is now using. They look very different than the fish that he originally collected as he says in his article. Even if you had nesolepsis they don't look anything like these guys as these are much more colorful than the originals. He used the brightest colored fish from every spawn as his next fish for breeding. I normally don't like sports but there is so much color in these that they really rival <almost> a peacock gudgeon in full color. BTW shipping Morgurnda eggs or Allomogurnda eggs would probably be a tough thing to do. They really need a lot of "fathering" and fanning. One of the first transfers of M. mogurnda eggs happened from the Dallas aquarium back in the Mid-eighties
when David Schlesser, then working at the aquarium scraped some eggs off of the glass and gave them to Charles Harrison who then drove straight thru to St. Louis. He only got a few of the already eyed up eggs to hatch. I think you would have a real problem trying to have these eggs in transit longer than about 2 days w/o having massive egg losses. Some things you just have to ship as fish. Gary Lange

Christophe Mailliet <christophe.mailliet at web.de> wrote: Hi everyone,

If I'm not mistaken, Allomogurnda nesolepis was present in Europe a couple of years ago (still under its old name "Mogurnda"). It may well be that there are still some fish around, but I wouldn't know where to search for them.

It surely would be nice to get them over here..

Christophe

r_m_l at yahoogroups.com schrieb am 14.12.05 11:05:52:

Nylabone hasn't replied yet, however Jennifer from TFH is going to
send me a free trial issue so I can decide for myself if I want a
subscription or not. They sure are friendly people there at TFH!

PS, I had contacted a person in the USA who has the Goo obo gudgeon
and asked him if he would be willing to send eggs to me, but he
declined unfortunately. So I guess us Europeans will have to wait
another few years before we get this little gudgeon.

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