Re: [RML] Unhappy Xmas followups

bowluvr (bowluvr at email.msn.com)
Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:09:39 -0800

A thought: I have found that rainbowfish, especially bigs ones, are more
suseptible to damage from stress than many other types of fish (eg: many
cichlids). Perhaps it was a combo of small things that pushed some over the
edge, while others dealt with it well enough to survive? As for the PSG, was
it the only one in the tank? If not, was it at the top or bottm of the
dominance chain?

Julie <><

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> To Bruce Hansen's comments:
>
> Ammonia & nitrites zero after disaster. Chlorine
> untested but presumably zero coz treated with Prime
> and quite a few hours after the refill.
>
> CO2 is only coming on very infrequently as pH slowly
> rises. Will run a Dupla test on the exact value this
> evening. (But doubt it - unless it had a big pulse
> during the night - but manometer pressure readings on
> the Dupla gauge have not changed - bottle replaced a
> few days ago).
> A big Running Creek Trifasciata that was on last legs
> - threw it in the goldfish tank which is salted and
> heaps of aeration and it's gonna make it. Goldfish
> seem uninterested in their visitor.
> Mortality has now stopped - sort of started to improve
> after the lights came on ... and yes I fixed the
> air-pump late afternoon (and bought a cheap spare)
>
> On Diatom filter - motor, filter bag, and glass bowl
> were all dry and clean. Hoses had a small amount of
> residual odour (not excessive) that was a little rank
> from sitting with water inside - but they were well
> lushed totally with a garden hose before use.
>
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> To Jennifer:
>
> Odour wasn't H2S gas. Sort of slightly decay strange
> odour - but I couldn't pin down a source - tank smell
> seemed OK. As above Diatom filter was dry except for
> hoses that were flushed.
>
> Tank filters were not turned off during the change -
> they were kept working. No power blackouts or anything
> (I know as my beside clock-radio time would have been
> flashing !!)
>
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> To Chuck Gadd:
>
> Tank is open on top - no cover glasses. Ceiling fan
> would have been on in the room to move air around.
> I actually swapped to the Rio 1700 powerhead after
> finding my Dupla S reactor (being forced by a
> restriction in the filter outlet) kept slowing (small
> debris buildup). I drilled a hose in the bottom of the
> powerhead and let the rotor "smash" the CO2 into a
> zillion little microbubbles. They drift along the
> entire 6 foot glass front and seem to slowly dissolve
> as they rise. Not perfect I know. IMHO it seems to
> keep the pH more stable, my gas supply lasts twice as
> long, and a generally "better" result. Although yes
> seems heresy from established teachings. pH is fairly
> stable during the day although drops 0.2-0.3 during
> nights due to high plant growth in the tank. Also
> surface of the tank is disturbed by the two Otto
> outlets and Fluval spay-bar. pH 6.8-6.9. ANyway this
> had been setup this way for
> many months now with no probs.
>
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> To Matthew:
>
> Bodies in dry plastic bag in the freezer but maybe on
> the way to yukky fish soup through decay processes.
> i.e. I probably didn't get them quick enough. Also
> what would I look for upon dissection ?
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> I guess my options are still:
>
> Pathogen - but seems too quick and selective of big
> fish
>
> Chemical toxin: - chlorine ? - but Prime treated - but
> what else (no pesticides in use)
>
> Bacterial explosion (the Pseudomonas suggestion)
>
> Or maybe a combination of 200 litres of new
> unoxygenated water, close to lights-out (night
> respiration load), plus an airpump failure.
>
> Trouble is that no option seems to be totally
> consistent with the outcome.
>
> Would one think that something microbiological could
> have "brewed" up in water change drum. 200 litre black
> poly food grade ... had used the water for Discus tank
> two days before .... tank is in semi-shade... Rio 2100
> turns it over to mix Prime etc.... but not on all the time.
>
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