Re: [RML] for Andrew Boyd

Roy Hunter (rainbows01 at sprynet.com)
Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:05:53 -0600

Damn you got my attention! The e-mail problem with ANGFA will be fixed
soon.. :-) BTW

Roy Hunter
Co-Chairman
ANGFA of North America
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http://www.angfa.org
reach me at:
roy at angfa.org

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> From: Frex <frex at macrae.com.au>
> To: rainbowfish at pcug.org.au
> Subject: Re: [RML] for Andrew Boyd
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 7:09 AM
>
> Dear all, I was going to make this a private reply to Richard, to take
this
> whole business off-list, but there are important points that need to be
made
> to all subscribers about the way bouncing email is handled.
>
> At 07:43 PM 4/22/97 +1000, Richard wrote:
>
> >Hi Andrew,
> >
> >as far as I know I did not de-subscribe from the RML, did you bounce me
> >off for some wrong doing ?
>
> Dear Richard, congratulations, you now have my full attention! :)
>
> Either Alan or I desubscribed you - I am posting this as a general
message
> to the list to ensure that everyone knows what is happening.
>
> The list recieves a lot of traffic, 30, sometimes 50 messages a day.
When
> those 50 messages are being bounced, that is, when the list-owners (Alan
> Ford and my fine self) get a message back saying "this message
> undeliverable" for every single posting, from the postmaster of
> whomesoever's account happens to be bouncing at the time, we naturally
take
> notice. Picture yourself getting 50 extra emails a day. If this happens
> consistently for a week or so, we tend to bump the person off the list on
> the natural assumption that either they and/or their account no longer
> exists. There is no malice involved on our part - merely self
preservation.
> The fact that your account is bouncing precludes us contacting you to let
> you know that you have been removed from the list. We do not keep records
of
> people desubscribed from the list for this reason to chase up in a week
or
> two on the off chance that their account has recommenced useful service -
I
> think I can safely speak for Alan here and say that we don't have the
time
> and could not be bothered chasing up on this. What you have to decide is
if
> this is what you want in a mailing list - I would hazard a guess that
*we*
> are not going to change.
>
> We usually get between 2-5 of the 130-odd addressees bouncing at any
given
> time, but rarely for a week at a stretch.
>
> >I did a "who" and was denied access as I was not a member. I have not
> >received any RML emails since before Easter.
>
> Noting that the list is quite busy usually (this varies) - if you (or
anyone
> else for that matter) have no list traffic for 2 days straight then you
may
> rest assured that something is going wrong, and this is the time to
enquire
> - not to the list, as replies will not get to you, but to either Alan or
I
> via our private addresses; ans certainly not a month after the event.
>
> >>For info, your cit account is bouncier than Sam Fox...
> >
> >I don't understand what you mean by the above.(I do know who S.F is)
>
> What you must do is apply what I said above on the matter of bounces, and
> visualise Ms Fox, and apply a little of Mr De Bono's lateral thinking.
Mr
> Drew, is that sexist enough for you?
>
> >>if I had replied (and frankly, I am not going to bother trolling
through my
> >>outbox after that crack...) it probably didn't reach you...
> >
> >I don't understand what you mean by the above either, my comments were
> >by no means meant to be a "crack".
>
> I may be speaking out of line here, I am extremely tired, but I
interpretted
> a comment to all 130-odd members of the list telling everyone that I
would
> not reply to your emails as an affront... call me paranoid. Which I may
> well be, after all....
>
> >>For seconds... Rhonda did offer publicly to send you the TFH article,
and
> >>AFAIK you haven't responded to her otherwise you wouldn't be asking
> >>again...
> >
> >I did not get Rhonda's posting because I was not a member of the RML.
> >When I sent the posting about the TFH mag I was not a member (I thought
I
> >was )and so could not reply to her posting !
>
> Again... and this applies to everyone... no mail for 2 days means that
you
> are probably not on the list anymore - do check with Alan or I, huh?
>
> >For some reason you did not get my email regarding why I was no longer a

> >member of the RML, could you tell me why I was removed from the RML ???
>
> See above. Can you not, again, using what I have said above, safely
assume
> that if we could not send list traffic to you, that you may indeed have
had
> some trouble successfully sending mail to us? At the time you were
> desubscribed, not recently when you posted the TFH article request to the
list?
>
> Regards, Andrew Boyd
> _________________________________________________________________
> Frex the Castor Dragon aka Andrew Boyd - frex at macrae.com.au
> "Then the time comes when it is clear nothing new or important will
> be done: and one draws out the ledger and begins to itemise what
> there is, of value, that can be offered to posterity. And here is
> a good deed, and there an act of courage: during this year one worthy
> story was told, during that decade involvement in an important social
> movement. If there are babies, that is logged in. If there are books,
> they are noted. Loving friends. Wives and husbands. Kindness to
> small animals. A hill bearing your name. But the laurels you've counted

> on, they've turned to dust."
> Harlan Ellison, Introduction to "Prayers to Broken Stones"